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someone wrote that businessmen withdrew their investments from greece, but he didn't cite any sources. I deleted that comment. Also, if you don't know english, don't write in the english wiki. the phrase "grafo istoria" shouldn't be translated as "write history", but as "make history".

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Cleaning up

A week ago, I started rewriting the "Political Career" section up to 1981, because there were almost no references and there were some biased statements. This was ok, since I was mostly filling the gaps, or let's just say that I was mostly adding into the narrative. My additions are not perfect by any means but at least it now has a more cohesive narrative and it has references supporting this narrative. I will move in the 1981-1989 period, which in my opinion is a mess. Most of the references are either broken, or they are opinions from (almost exclusively Greek) newspapers or even reports from political institutions that are not peer-reviewed. Three more things. 1) I find that some references were used in a biased way. 2) References such as books were provided without pages, making it impossible or very challenging to determine whether the reference supports that statement. 3) Some information provided are details; WP is not a list of facts, in our case, a list of all the laws that Papandreou enacted. It is important to get to the big picture.

Either way, a clean-up is required. I intend to go through this by examining each part one by one. Anything that does not stand on WP standards will be moved or removed. I will try to preserve as much as I can. I intend to use academic books and journals as replacements for references. I have included a link ([[1]]) the point before starting doing changes in the "Political Career" as a point of reference. Any help is welcomed, but please also be polite in offering criticism, especially by providing academic sources with pages. Thank you.A.Cython (talk) 02:24, 2 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I have mostly completed the rewrite of the Political Career except for the 1981-1985 period. Now it's turn, starting in a few days from today. Some material will be kept or rewritten to make it cohesive under the same narrative structure. Other material will be removed; some is over-detailed (e.g., I fail to see the value of stating this unless someone explains what these categories are: "Saturday working was also abolished for certain categories of workers"). In many cases, the references do not support the statements. For example, "The impact of the PASOK Government's social and economic policies was such that it was estimated in 1988 that two-thirds of the decrease in inequality that occurred in Greece between 1974 and 1982 took place between 1981 and 1982." The reference provided does not quite say this:

 Other studies (Tsakloglou, 1988), using data from both the 1974 and the 1981/82 HES, concluded that only a small reduction in the percentage of population below the poverty line had occurred between 1974 and 1981 -- from just over 24 per cent in 1974 to just under 23 percent in 1981. (see pages 191-192 for more [2])

I have other issues with this type of reference. It does not appear to be peer-reviewed, and it relies on other studies, which I would prefer to rely on those studies directly. Not to mention that the reference does not state that most of the poverty elimination took place between "1981 and 1982". The rest of the subsection has the same problem(s), more or less. Please use this talk page if there is a disagreement or provide feedback. Thank you.A.Cython (talk) 03:46, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Copyright violation

Apparently, the latest effort to improve the article had an issue with being too similar to sourced material, specifically Koliopoulos' book. Two sections, one of which had three subsections, are in question involving the most troubled time of the political career of Andreas Papandreou. I do not deny that I might have been more faithful than I should have been to the language of the sources, as I am trying to be unbiased. However, it has not been clear to me which sentences are causing trouble, but I have been in the process of identifying the troubling language that flagged this.

The current version of the updated text is located here [3].

I will continue to improve it in the following days (rewriting parts). However, I would be most grateful if anyone could help by being specific about the troubled sentences. Thank you in advance. A.Cython (talk) 19:58, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The issue has been resolved. A.Cython (talk) 03:54, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]