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Summary of Military history WikiProject open tasks watch · edit · full list News and announcements The November newsletter is now available. Editors are advised that Featured Articles promoted before 2016 are in need of review, if you had an article promoted to Featured status on or before 2016 please check and update your article before they are listed at FAR/C. Current discussions No major discussions are open at the moment Featured article candidates Boot Monument • Teddy Wynyard • Breton Civil War, 1341 • Operation Matterhorn logistics Featured article review Byzantine Empire • Edward I of England • Northrop YF-23 • Isaac Brock • Pre-dreadnought battleship Featured picture candidates Thorsten Nordenfelt A-Class review Lockheed YF-22 • USS Texas (BB-35) • John S. McCain Sr. • Project Pluto • SMS Berlin • Battle of Köse Dağ Peer reviews Sher Shah Suri • Rwandan genocide • Battle of Chunj • War of the Antiochene Succession Good article nominees Mohammad Shah Qajar • Simon Stuart (general) • Dabney Coleman • Crusading movement • Black and Tans • Ottoman destroyer Yarhisar • Regency of Algiers • History of the Regency of Algiers • Perdiccas • Ziaur Rahman • Pierre François Bauduin • Federalist No. 29 • Mongol invasion of Khorasan • HMS Sheffield (C24) • Charles the Bold • James Alexander Ulio • Central Powers • Short Sunderland in New Zealand service • Te Pōrere Redoubts • Aromal Chekavar • Tumu Crisis • 1838 Mormon War • Mseilha Fort • SMS Albatross (1871) • Shō Hashi • Charles Brenton Fisk • HMS Savage (1910) • HMS Lively (1813) • Edward Caledon Bruce • Battle of Morlaix • Tupolev Tu-22M • Alt Llobregat insurrection Good article reassessments Battle of Plataea • USS Texas (BB-35) • Haile Selassie • O'Brien-class destroyer Articles that need... work on referencing and citation (149,125) • only work on referencing and citation (43,219) • work on coverage and accuracy (124,643) • only work on coverage and accuracy (19,915) • work on structure (31,960) • only work on structure (335) • work on grammar (8,192) • only work on grammar (46) • work on supporting materials (33,040) • only work on supporting materials (1,292) • assessment (50) • assessment as lists (0) • project tags fixed (6) • assessment checklists added (0) • assessment checklists completed (7) • task forces added (2) • attention to task force coverage (654)

Requests for project input

Merge discussion for II Corps (Grande Armee)

Merge discussion can be found here. Reader of Information (talk) — Preceding undated comment added 03:33, 29 November 2024 (UTC)

Help reference military history articles in the WikiProject Unreferenced Articles #NOV24 Backlog Drive

Hi WikiProject Military history, I’d like to invite anyone interested to join the WikiProject Unreferenced Articles #NOV24 Backlog Drive. There's already been an impressively large reduction in the number of unreferenced military history articles over the last months, but in case you want to apply any more of that energy to the drive, you can quickly access a list of remaining ones here. The drive runs through November, and any help adding reliable sources is welcome. Thanks! Turtlecrown (talk) 13:35, 2 November 2024 (UTC)

Inaccurate article section War Reserve Constables

It's been suggested I draw attention to this Talk:War reserve constable both on here and Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Law Enforcement in the hope someone with better skills and ideas than myself can sort out an inaccuate section (they says only 3 WRCs were killed 'in the line of duty' when that's clearly not the case. Many thanks to anyone willing to have a look! Rhillman (talk) 18:15, 5 November 2024 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:5.56×45mm NATO#Requested move 29 October 2024

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:5.56×45mm NATO#Requested move 29 October 2024 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. 𝚈𝚘𝚟𝚝 (𝚝𝚊𝚕𝚔𝚟𝚝) 01:22, 6 November 2024 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:Middle Eastern crisis (2023–present)#Requested move 6 November 2024

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Middle Eastern crisis (2023–present)#Requested move 6 November 2024 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. estar8806 (talk) ★ 01:55, 6 November 2024 (UTC)

Good article reassessment for Haile Selassie

Haile Selassie has been nominated for a good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. Z1720 (talk) 16:38, 6 November 2024 (UTC)

Discussion at Talk:Eric Braeden#Wilhelm Gustloff

Your input would be welcome at Talk:Eric Braeden#Wilhelm Gustloff. Thanks for participating! Renerpho (talk) 03:39, 7 November 2024 (UTC)

Question on one or two MilHist-related articles at the Teahouse

Hi! One of the articles mentioned at Wikipedia:Teahouse#Request for third party feedback may fall under the scope of this WikiProject—not sure about the other; if the articles are within scope, please feel free to respond said articles' talk pages (or the Teahouse) instead of here. Thank you! Rotideypoc41352 (talk · contribs) 00:24, 16 November 2024 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:Amache National Historic Site#Requested move 18 November 2024

An editor has requested that Amache National Historic Site be moved to Granada War Relocation Center, which may be of interest to this WikiProject. You are invited to participate in the move discussion. Spookyaki (talk) 19:00, 18 November 2024 (UTC)

Ship Characteristics lacking uniformity

so I'm just a kid basically and don't know what I'm talking about. However, there are a lot of ships on here that I often find myself at, and it is strange there isn't a formal way to set up the stats of the ships. Some include cost, some don't. some include ship badge, some don't. ship mottos, classification numbers, consistent displacement(some include full load and regular, others don't specify). I feel like it would make sense if not to standardize it at least advise for certain info to be included Mlayap (talk) 00:28, 19 November 2024 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:Muhammad Zia-ul-Haq#Requested move 8 November 2024

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Muhammad Zia-ul-Haq#Requested move 8 November 2024 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. 𝚈𝚘𝚟𝚝 (𝚝𝚊𝚕𝚔𝚟𝚝) 22:07, 19 November 2024 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:Scolding Letters#Requested move 13 November 2024

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Scolding Letters#Requested move 13 November 2024 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. Raladic (talk) 23:16, 20 November 2024 (UTC)

Discussion on the renaming of the article Allegations of United States support for the Khmer Rouge

Please see here for a discussion about renaming Allegations of United States support for the Khmer Rouge to United States support for the Khmer Rouge. FOARP (talk) 17:15, 21 November 2024 (UTC)

Good article reassessment for Hans-Ulrich Rudel

I have nominated Hans-Ulrich Rudel for a good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. In my opinion, the deletions of 2018 have significantly impacted the article, that it warrants a reassessment of the article. Thanks MisterBee1966 (talk) 07:19, 25 November 2024 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:Libingan ng mga Bayani#Requested move 26 November 2024

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Libingan ng mga Bayani#Requested move 26 November 2024 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. HueMan1 (talk) 11:24, 26 November 2024 (UTC)

RFC on Russian invasion of Ukraine

THere's currently a discussion about whether or not to include North Korea as a co-belligerent. Please feel free to comment. Thanks! Nemov (talk) 13:56, 21 November 2024 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:Peruvian Civil War of 1980–2000#Requested move 19 November 2024

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Peruvian Civil War of 1980–2000#Requested move 19 November 2024 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. Raladic (talk) 19:13, 26 November 2024 (UTC)

Categories for discussion

Category:Weapons by target is under discussion at CfD. - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 07:24, 27 November 2024 (UTC)

Does nobody like Gwyn Jenkins?

General Gwyn Jenkins is the only Vice-Chief of the Defence Staff ever not to be knighted, dating back to at least 1954. He is also the first Royal Marine full general to not be knighted since 1914. Are we missing something from his article or is there not an identified reason for this? Pickersgill-Cunliffe (talk) 18:58, 26 November 2024 (UTC)

One opinion I've heard is that knighthoods generally come towards the end of a 3* general's period in appointment. Jenkins was promoted straight from 2* to 4* for the VCDS appointment (as the marines don't usually have lieutenant-generals or higher any more, I think) so perhaps he's short circuited it a bit. I expect he would have had been in line for one (and maybe still is) relating to his appointment as National Security Adviser, as all permanent holders of that post have also been knights. Maybe he's already had his letter for the New Year's Honours? - Dumelow (talk) 10:03, 27 November 2024 (UTC)

Having a look at the Template:British_honours_lists the number of armed forces KCBs being granted recently is very small. Four have been nominated in the new years and birthday honours this year, of which two were 3-star Royal Marines! No RAF 3-stars knighted since 2022. There's maybe hope for Jenkins yet, as Tony Radakin wasn't knighted until he was Admiral and First Sea Lord in 2021. —Simon Harley (Talk). 13:50, 27 November 2024 (UTC)

All sounds reasonable. We'll see what the New Year brings! Pickersgill-Cunliffe (talk) 22:41, 28 November 2024 (UTC)

Yes, a knighthood used to be pretty much automatic for three-star officers (and some two-star officers, like the Director of Infantry and the GOC London District). That's sadly no longer the case. Many now have to wait until they reach four-star rank. I would be surprised if Jenkins wasn't knighted, however. -- Necrothesp (talk) 15:45, 29 November 2024 (UTC)

Strategic bombing of Germany articles

@Elrondil: User Elrondil appears to be doing a wholesale conversion of articles about the strategic bombing of Germany from imperial to metric weights and measures and imposing Use Oxford spelling|date=December 2024 conventions without discussion or notification. I have left a message to discuss this as he appears to be a new user and would appreciate additional scrutiny. Regards Keith-264 (talk) 03:30, 27 November 2024 (UTC)

@Keith-264: I have responded to your message. Elrondil (talk) 06:20, 27 November 2024 (UTC)

@Elrondil: Thanks babe. Keith-264 (talk) 09:46, 27 November 2024 (UTC)

British Army

I think some of the articles about the British Army need some big cleanup. Does somebody fancy to help me? Mr.Lovecraft (talk) 11:24, 27 November 2024 (UTC)

It might be a good idea to tell us which ones, and then (on their talk pages) identify the issues. Slatersteven (talk)

HMS Unruffled

I would appreciate some input from members of this project over at Template:Did you know nominations/HMS Unruffled. I would like to salvage this article and prevent it from getting rejected due to a non-RS. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Viriditas (talk) 21:25, 27 November 2024 (UTC)

article about a conflict that doesn't exist

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Atlantic_conflict

"The South Atlantic conflict was a series of crises, undeclared wars, and other conflicts between Argentina, the United Kingdom, and later Chile (on the British side) in the Southern Atlantic Ocean."

basically this article claims that a series of incidents between these 3 nations over the 20th century are actually part of a single long-running conflict. None of the sources used in the article say this. this conflict simply doesn't exist.

note: I'm not accusing the author of making things up, acting in bad faith, etc. In fact, at least one historian has tried to frame some of these incidents into one single, long running conflict before. in 1988, an article was published in the memorial del ejercito de chile (chilean army quarterly magazine) about overlapping territorial claims in Antarctica. in this article, titled "Chile y el desafío antartico internacional", the author discusses what he calls la guerra de las bases (war of bases), a term he invented to refer to a period of time in which all 3 countries were rushing to build military installations in Antarctica in an effort to legitimize their territorial claims there. There were several violent incidents in the guerra de las bases (Hope bay incident, deception island incident, and others- these already have their own articles) the author also claims this guerra started in 1947, and ended in 1959 when the Antarctic treaty was signed. It's definitely an interesting concept, but I'm not sure the source is good enough to justify creating an article about it, and as far as I'm aware, no other authors have used the term la guerra de las bases since.

this article should probably be deleted. Bob meade (talk) 21:31, 27 November 2024 (UTC)

I have nominated the article for deletion. Discussion can be held there. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 22:04, 27 November 2024 (UTC)

Thanks! Bob meade (talk) 10:41, 28 November 2024 (UTC)

The Bugle: Issue 223, November 2024

Your Military History Newsletter Project news: From the editors; awards and honours; contest results Articles: Last month's new featured and A-class content Book review: Hawkeye7 looks at battles of Operation Veritable in 1945

The Bugle is published by the Military history WikiProject. To receive it on your talk page, please join the project or sign up here.
If you are a project member who does not want delivery, please remove your name from this page. Your editors, Ian Rose (talk) and Nick-D (talk) 12:13, 27 November 2024 (UTC)

Criticism of the Pakistan Armed Forces

There is an active proposal to merge Criticism of the Pakistan Armed Forces into The Establishment (Pakistan). Please share your thoughts on this. Thanks. 109.204.231.244 (talk) 11:41, 28 November 2024 (UTC)

I need help with Cyprus Military ranks

Wikipedia:Teahouse#Cyprus military ranks

i wanted to edit the visual on the military ranks to make them as the Hellenic Armed Forces, Cyprus army has 2 ranks for each NCO rank, one permanent and the other contracted-volunteer (SYP-EPY)* (Corporal and Lance corporal only have 1 design)

*Sergeant rank has 3 different variants (Permanent, SYP-EPY and SYOP) {Efedros Lochias is different sergeant and is not on the same visual)

(Warrant officer not to be modified) Asd3131 (talk) 17:27, 28 November 2024 (UTC)

Good article reassessment for O'Brien-class destroyer

O'Brien-class destroyer has been nominated for a good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. Z1720 (talk) 22:18, 28 November 2024 (UTC)

Nominations for military history newcomer of the year for 2024 are open!

Military history newcomer of the year 2024

• 
  First place
• 
  Runners up

As we approach the end of the year, it is time for us to nominate the editors we believe have made a real difference to the project. In addition to the Military historian of the year, all Milhist editors are invited to nominate a promising newcomer that they feel deserves a nod of appreciation for their hard work over the past 12 months for the Military history newcomer of the year award. The award is open to any editor who has become active in military history articles in the last 12 months.

Like the Military Historian of the Year, the nomination process will begin at 00:01 (UTC) on 16 November and last until 23:59 (UTC) on 30 November 2024. As the awards process is one of simple approval, opposes are deprecated. After that a new thread will be created and a voting period will commence on 00:01 1 December 2024 during which editors will be able to cast their approval vote for up to three of the nominees. At the end of this period on 23:59 30 December 2024, the top editor will be awarded the Gold Wiki; all other nominees will receive the WikiProject Barnstar.

Please nominate editors below this line, including links in the nomination statement to the most significant articles/lists/images editors have worked on since 1 January 2024. Please keep nomination statements concise; excluding links to the articles/list/images in question, the ideal nomination statement should be about 20 words. Self-nominations are frowned upon. Please do not vote until the nominations have been finalized. Thanks, and good luck! On behalf of all the coordinators, Hawkeye7 (discuss) 04:13, 16 November 2024 (UTC)

1. CommissarDoggo (talk · contribs): A new joiner to the project this year, their work includes bringing the American VC winner William Henry Harrison Seeley to GA and expanding Michael Wettlaufer from stub to B class. Pickersgill-Cunliffe (talk) 21:10, 18 November 2024 (UTC)
2. Matarisvan (talk · contribs): Significant additions to Indian military history, a notoriously difficult topic on Wikipedia - they have also since been voted a coordinator of the WikiProject. Pickersgill-Cunliffe (talk) 21:10, 18 November 2024 (UTC)
3. Klutserke (talk · contribs): Second World War naval history, including the significant expansion and re-writing of HMS Sheffield (C24) and the creation of articles including 8.8 cm SK C/25 naval gun. Pickersgill-Cunliffe (talk) 21:22, 18 November 2024 (UTC)
4. Wahreit (talk · contribs): Can I nominate Wahreit for extensive editing to Second Sino-Japanese War articles like the Battle of Shanghai and the Battle of Sihang Warehouse. He joined Wikipedia in April 2024 and has done good work from the beginning. Oh and plus 25k to Battle of Nanking Alexysun (talk) 00:24, 30 November 2024 (UTC)

Voting

Nominations for this year's "military history newcomer of the year" award have now closed, and it is time to vote for who you think deserves this honour. As with the awards for previous years, all the runners up will also be acknowledged.

The nominees for this award and the statements given in support of these nominations are provided above. Voting can be done below by adding a hash sign (#) followed by the four tildes (~~~~) to nominee's sections. As the awards process is one of simple approval, opposes are deprecated.

All project members are welcome to vote, but are asked to vote for a maximum of three candidates. The winner will be the editor who receives the most 'support' votes by the time voting closes at 23:59 (UTC) on 30 December 2024.

Good luck to all the nominees! For the coordinators, Hawkeye7 (discuss) 23:55, 29 November 2024 (UTC)

CommissarDoggo

1. 2601AC47 (talk·contribs·my rights) Isn't a IP anon
2. Gog the Mild (talk) 01:14, 30 November 2024 (UTC)
3. Wiki king 100000 (talk) 05:46, 30 November 2024 (UTC)

Matarisvan

1. Gog the Mild (talk) 01:14, 30 November 2024 (UTC)
2. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 04:16, 30 November 2024 (UTC)
3. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 07:17, 30 November 2024 (UTC)

Nominations for military historian of the year for 2024 are open!

Military historian of the year 2024

• 
  First place
• 
  Second place
• 
  Third place

As we approach the end of the year, it is time for us to nominate the editors we believe have made a real difference to the project. As part of the first step to determining this year's "Military Historian of the Year" award, all Milhist editors are invited to nominate those that they feel deserve a nod of appreciation for their hard work over the past 12 months.

The nomination process will commence on 00:01 (UTC) on 16 November and last until 23:59 (UTC) on 30 November. As the awards process is one of simple approval, opposes are deprecated. After that a new thread will be created and a voting period of will commence on 00:01 (UTC) on 1 December during which editors will be able to cast their approval vote for up to three of the nominees. At the end of this period on 23:59 on 30 December, the top three editors will be awarded the Gold, Silver and Bronze Wiki respectively; all other nominees will receive the WikiProject Barnstar.

Please nominate editors below this line, including links in the nomination statement to the most significant articles/lists/images editors have worked on since 1 January 2024. Please keep nomination statements concise; excluding links to the articles/list/images in question, the ideal nomination statement should be about 20 words. Self nominations are frowned upon. Please do not vote until the nominations have been finalized. Thanks, and good luck! For all the coordinators, Hawkeye7 (discuss) 04:13, 16 November 2024 (UTC)

1. noclador (talk · contribs): Since 2005 has been working mainly on articles about the Italian Army. In 2023 started a project to write articles for all the Italian Army units active after WWII. Since August 2023 noclador has brought to B-class 298 articles about units of the Italian Army, of which 289 were created from scratch. Created 145 articles in 2023 and 2024. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 18:58, 17 November 2024 (UTC)
2. MSGJ (talk · contribs): Has worked on our Template:WikiProject Military history and the Lua Module:Banner shell and Module:WikiProject banner to implement changes required for our A-class reviews. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 19:10, 17 November 2024 (UTC)

   Thanks. A barn star would be appreciated but this nomination ... seems excessive — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 13:05, 19 November 2024 (UTC)

3. Zawed (talk · contribs): Another year, another seemingly endless quantity of New Zealand-related articles. From the Second World War and articles such as Mick Ensor, to the 1869 Battle of Te Pōrere, Zawed consistently produces a variety of high quality content. Pickersgill-Cunliffe (talk) 21:18, 18 November 2024 (UTC)
4. Donner60 (talk · contribs) - for extensive behind-the-scenes work as a coordinator, especially their tireless work with the assessment process. Hog Farm _Talk 15:01, 20 November 2024 (UTC)
5. Pickersgill-Cunliffe (talk · contribs) - prodigious output of articles relating to British naval ships, e.g. HMS Regulus (1785) and personalities, and also heavily involved in reviewing articles. Zawed (talk) 06:23, 29 November 2024 (UTC)
6. Hog Farm (talk · contribs) - another editor with a strong article output, this time relating mostly to the US Civil war, e.g. Edward W. Gantt. Zawed (talk) 06:23, 29 November 2024 (UTC)
7. Hawkeye7 (talk · contribs) - yet another editor with tremendous output, particularly in military logistics e.g. Operation Matterhorn logistics. Does a lot of backroom stuff for the project. Zawed (talk) 06:23, 29 November 2024 (UTC)
8. Simongraham (talk · contribs) - works away on naval ships, with many articles created and taken up to GA, e.g. HMS Harpy (1909). Zawed (talk) 06:23, 29 November 2024 (UTC)

Voting

Nominations for this year's "Military History Newcomer of the Year" award have now closed, and it is time to vote for who you think deserves this honour. As with the awards for previous years, all the runners up will also be acknowledged.

The nominees for this award and the statements given in support of these nominations are provided above. Voting can be done by adding a hash sign (#) followed by the four tildes (~~~~) to the nominee's section below. As the awards process is one of simple approval, opposes are deprecated.

All editors are welcome to vote, but are asked to vote for a maximum of three candidates. The winner will be the editor who receives the most 'support' votes by the time voting closes at 23:59 (UTC) on 30 December 2024.

Good luck to all the nominees! For the coordinators, Hawkeye7 (discuss) 23:55, 29 November 2024 (UTC)

Donner60

1. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 00:20, 30 November 2024 (UTC)
2. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 07:18, 30 November 2024 (UTC)

Hawkeye7

1. Gog the Mild (talk) 01:12, 30 November 2024 (UTC)
2. Wiki king 100000 (talk) 05:39, 30 November 2024 (UTC)
3. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 07:18, 30 November 2024 (UTC)

Hog Farm

1. 2601AC47 (talk·contribs·my rights) Isn't a IP anon
2. Gog the Mild (talk) 01:12, 30 November 2024 (UTC)

MSGJ

1. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 00:20, 30 November 2024 (UTC)

Pickersgill-Cunliffe

1. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 00:20, 30 November 2024 (UTC)

Zawed

1. Gog the Mild (talk) 01:12, 30 November 2024 (UTC)